This episode I welcome podcaster Matt Gourley to the show for a wide ranging conversation about all things George Smiley.

We talk about Matt’s work podcasting on James Bond, how he started reading le Carré, and the difference between Bond and Smiley.

We make an attempt to cast Tinker, Tailor using only former James Bond actors, talk about the success of Karla’s Choice and the upcoming Legacy of Spies tv show.

Plus, learn about the difficulty of not asking Patrick Stewart about playing Karla!

All that and more in this episode!

Special thanks to Nathan Copelin for editing and production assistance!

Matt’s Website – https://www.mattgourley.com/

With Gourley and Rust – https://www.patreon.com/withgourleyandrust

James Bonding is here.

Conan O’Brien Needs a Friend – https://www.earwolf.com/show/conan-obrien/

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